Why stair fall was a ‘blessing’ for Sandy Roberts

He was a brilliant caller who made the big moments, bigger. And he was a superb host, who did it with ease, and made those watching comfortable, and those around him, shine.

He always played the team game, and was incredibly generous to me when I arrived at Channel 7. I was saddened to hear he had been diagnosed with blood cancer, myeloma, which has no cure.

We spoke about his career, farming, an on-air blunder, Greg Norman, Gary Ablett Sr, Augusta and how a fall down the stairs that broke his ribs, was a blessing in disguise.

HM: What did you want to do when you were growing up in Lucindale (in southeast South Australia), Sandy?

SR: I was keen on sport, and I was keen on the media from a pretty early age. I wasn’t hugely into the land at that time, and I was leaning towards the media.

HM: Were you kicking a football between eucalyptus trees and bowling balls in the backyard pretending to be one of your heroes?

SR: Yes, bowling balls at the back of the garage, with the garage playing the role of wicket keeper. We had a very old bat that required a lot of oiling, but it was a lot of fun. My father thought he could bowl leg breaks, but unfortunately, he was very, very wrong.

HM: Did that mean you’re an outstanding batsman given how long you’re at the crease in front of the garage?

SR: I did see a considerable amount of time there, but it doesn’t mean I was an outstanding batsman! A solid B grader!

HM: At Lucindale, were you sheep or cattle?

SR: Mainly sheep.

HM: As a farmer, were you a better sportsman?

SR: Yes! It’s funny, now I love the land and I have for 25-30 years. In those early days, I suppose there were other things going on, also when you’re going to boarding school you’re not spending a lot of time at home, that’s the bottom line. Even on holidays, you might go and stay with friends in the city or on another farm, it was different.

HM: What was your strength as a sportsman?

SR: I enjoyed commentary!

HM: That bad!

SR: No, but I was average. I wasn’t a great A grade player in any sport, I made the squad at school for training with the A’s in football, but that was it. I played basically seconds in football and cricket throughout my school career.

HM: You loved sport, but just didn’t get to the heights you aspired to. Where to from school?

SR: I started off my career as a copy boy at News Limited in Adelaide. That only lasted for a couple of years. I left there, and I went to Perth and worked at 6PM – The Pleasure Machine.

HM: Sounds erotic!

SR: Sadly it wasn’t. I was in the newsroom. After that I went overseas for a while, and then came back. I love music, I always have, so when I came back I worked as an announcer at the famous and huge radio station, 3CS Colac.

HM: At that point you knew you were destined for great things …

SR: Hame, I thought it was a rock and roll station, but I was immediately put right when I was told the program manager had a habit of scratching across songs that you shouldn’t play with a knitting needle! I was worried when he did exactly that to “The Carnival is Over” by The Seekers! I thought “If that’s heavy rock, I’m in the wrong business!”.

HM: When did you run into Dennis Cometti? Was that at the Pleasure Machine?

SR: Yes, I think he was the afternoon or drive time announcer. He was pretty big over there on 6PM, it was a good radio station.

HM: Did you see that he was going to become what he became, or was it a bit like yourself – no one knew where the winds were going to blow you?

SR: No, I think no one knew. He obviously had a football career as well, so his career grew a little faster compared with mine. We were both heavy into music, I thought if he’s doing afternoons on a metropolitan station, then he’s going pretty well. I was just in the newsroom as a news reader and a reporter, but what I’d do at the end of each shift was just to practice, so I’d go down to a studio with a whole heap of records and make tapes. That’s what I did when I came back from overseas and just sent them to places like 3CS Colac, and I got a job from there.

When you’re the general announcer, you basically do everything

HM: And from Colac to Adelaide Channel 7?

SR: Yes, I went over to Adelaide, and I walked into Channel 7. At that time it wasn’t part of the network, it was like a cousin of HSV. So, I popped in there and the general manager said “You’ve just got to go and get some experience, you’ve done radio but we need you to get some experience”. So I went back to Colac and I applied for a job at BCV8 Bendigo which was obviously a television station, and I got the job. I was there for 14 months, then I went back to Adelaide and went into the manager, and I said “Look, I’ve had a bit of experience now, is there a role here?”. He then put me onto the program manager who took me into the studio, and I did a bit of auditioning. I thought I absolutely stuffed it, because I remember I had to read a couple of ads. One was a vegetable ad and I thought, “Oh, geez, I’ve buggered this up.” But I got the job, and that was how it all came about.

HM: What was the role?

SR: I was then the general announcer at the station, you did everything! Which I enjoyed, but you can only host so many midday movies!

HM: How did you end up in sport then?

SR: When you’re the general announcer, you basically do everything, I was also reading the sport, at times I did the news, I hosted “It’s Academic”, you really did everything and anything. It was a great learning curve and then after a couple of years they said “Well, would you like to do footy?” I said yes. I started off doing reserves footy at places like Football Park and Richmond and the Woodville Oval.

HM: This was the SANFL Reserves?

SR: Yes.

HM: Was that broadcast back then?

SR: Not to a large extent but we did, and that just gave me an opening into calling Seniors. We would do a couple of games each weekend and they’d go together. I think it was called “The Big Replay”, we did it on a Saturday night. I started doing the second game and I worked with guys like Ian Day, Ted Langride and Dennis Harry – and really enjoyed it. I kept doing it until the end of 1979.

HM: In 1979 you got asked to go and get involved in the Olympics and your life changed.

SR: Yeah, a couple of us were selected – Warwick Fenwick, who was a producer, and me – to go over there. It was when Russia had problems with Afghanistan and Malcolm Fraser said to the athletes and broadcasters that if we didn’t want to go, we weren’t going to be hounded. So instead of taking a few hundred people I think we took 53 or 51, something like that and it was an extraordinary experience.

HM: What made it so extraordinary?

SR: It was very different in those days. You didn’t know six months in advance what you would be calling. Ron Casey would get us all together to have breakfast together, and Case would outline the day and would say “Sandy today you are doing archery, Bill Collins you are doing jujitsu”. I knew nothing about archery! I knew Robin Hood, but that was about it.

HM: Makes it tricky. You don’t know the sport, the personalities, the rules or the lingo!

SR: Exactly. Dear old Bill, he went over there to do track and field. I loved him, he was probably one of my greatest influences and one of my greatest idols, because he was so versatile. He was extremely talented with what he did, and he was an absolute gentleman. I laughed, he was doing the 400m in Moscow at the track, and he did worry me when he said that someone was “One out and one back” with a couple of hundred to go!’’ He couldn’t get the horse racing parlance out of his system.

HM: And he ended up winning by a “short half head!”

SR: Exactly right. I suppose the other thing about Moscow, other than being my first Games, was that when you left the broadcasting compound to whatever venue it was, you walked between two rows of soldiers who were armed and that was the restrictions that you had. It was very different because of the situation that was going on in Russia at the time, but I loved it. I always remember on the last day or when we finished with only 50 odd people, everyone was exhausted, I think it was the great Ron Clark, Ray Weinberg, and myself. We were on the way home and we decided to stop in Germany. We were all exhausted, so let’s just get on a boat and go down the Rhine. I’ll never forget just how relaxing it was sitting there with a couple of very pleasant bottles of white wine and relaxing with two great athletes and just chatting away and reliving Moscow. It was a great way to end.

HM: When did you realise that sport was going to become you? Was it from 1980 onwards?

SR: I pretty much knew it would, but 1980 cemented it. During Moscow – Ron Casey did everything. He got us the rights, he was involved in the technical side, he was host and was putting up with the pressure that was under him because of the number of people that he was going to take and the oddity of the scenario in Russia. It was a lot of pressure. It affected him and he got crook and got this very nasty rash on his face, and he was the night-time host coming back into Australia. The late Gary Fenton, who was the executive producer of sport, had to go to him and say “Look, I think we’ve got to take you off air”. That was a really big call. He apparently said to Gary, “Well who are you going to put in?” And he said, “I’ll put Sandy Roberts in”. So he did, and I finished up hosting the second week, then Gary, Gordon Bennett and Case spoke to me at the end of the Games, and asked me if I’d like to come over to Melbourne and do sport. I just jumped at that. So that’s when I definitely knew. I knew that I’d loved sport anyway, but I’d always dreamt of football across the border. At Woodville you got tired of watching the full back jumping the fence to get the ball after a behind!

HM: But they’re good flying hours, aren’t they? You end up spending years honing your craft.

SR: Yeah, there’s no doubt about that. There was an announcer at 5AD in Adelaide, Bob Francis. He did the Penthouse Club with Anne Wills. Another thing I did over there was the trots with Vin Lewis for the Penthouse Club. I always remember Bob Francis, replying when I asked him “Have you got any advice for me?” He just said, “Look, do as much as you can, get as much variety, if they ask you to do something, do it, because what will happen is you’ll fall into a slot that you like, and that’ll be your road for the future.” He was right, I’m not saying that I go to the trots every week, but just get as much variety under your belt as you can, that really does help. That would be my advice to people too.

We became close, and it was a bloody good time

HM: In July 1983, golfer Jack Newton had an accident that changed his life, but as a result of that, one of the great on-air partnerships was formed! You and Jack became the dynamic duo too Australian golf audiences.

SR: Yeah, it was a terrible time for Jack, it was a terrible time for golf. We seemed to get on pretty well, and we knew the way each other worked. Jack initially – I don’t think I’m talking out of school – but he found it difficult early on after the accident. The game that he loved had been taken away from him as a player, so I thought Seven did a really good thing to offer him the commentary. I don’t think any of us knew at that time how good he would turn out to be as a specialist golf commentator. The more tournaments we did, the better he got.

HM: Golf was really well watched too then.

SR: They were really heady times you know, when you had to close the gates at Huntingdale for the Masters, and you’ve got Faldo and Norman going head-to-head, it was wonderful, but little did we know it was going to get bigger. A gentleman by the name of Christopher Skase came into Seven’s world. The first thing he did was get back the football rights and we did probably 10 or 11 golf tournaments just in Australia! Then Skase decided we’d do the British Open, the US Open, so Jack and I would basically just travel from one tournament to another during the summer along with Patty Welsh, it was just fantastic. We became close, and it was a bloody good time.

HM: It seemed a simpler time back then. You didn’t see as much acidity through social media, and have all that stuff to worry about. You just went and called, had fun and moved on.

SR: It was totally different; I think social media is a very dangerous tool. I think it’s scary, but in those days, you just went and did the job and moved on to the next thing, and there was no one waiting there with a bucket load of criticism. It was fun, it was enjoyable and that was the great thing. We all loved the work we did, and that made a hell of a difference. So when you’ve got that you’re halfway home.

People like to be entertained

HM: You have got to call some of the biggest names in all sports. Was Gary Ablett your favourite footballer?

SR: Yes, Gary Ablett Snr was my favourite. If I was doing a Geelong game, I wasn’t going to do Geelong, I was going to watch Gary. He was just an extraordinary, extraordinary player. So strong, so quick, so versatile and talented. You’ve only got to look at the 1989 grand final – that’s really the storyline of Gary Ablett Snr, he was fantastic.

HM: Who is the perfect commentary team for the perfect match?

SR: Any easier questions?

HM: Nope.

SR: I’ll preface it by saying that I’ve been influenced in calling by people like Lou Richards, Ted Whitten Snr, Butch Gale, Mike Williamson. I liked all those guys because I think in a way they were entertainers, they knew that it was a game, not life or death, it was a game and people like to be entertained. So I’m just saying that’s one of the things that has always been in the back of my mind, especially working with someone like Lou Richards, it was just great fun, but when he had to be professional, he was, but he never forgot that it was a game and he was there to entertain. What was the question?

HM: So …

SR: I very much enjoyed calling with Bruce, I enjoyed calling with Dwayne Russell, I enjoyed calling with Eddie, I enjoyed special comments of Jason Dunstall, Gerard Healy, Malcolm Blight, special comments of Leigh Matthews, I called with Steve Quartermain, I enjoyed him, I called with Dennis and I did call with Rex. So if there were three of us, I’d probably be a bit boring and I’d probably go with Bruce, myself and probably Dennis. I like calling with Dwayne, very, very professional. Special comments: Jason and Leigh, Boundary Riders – I’ve had some interesting boundary riders! I love Dipper. It’s almost an unfair question. I loved calling with Peter McKenna, I did a lot of calling with him. Bobby Skilton, I did my first game when I came over here. I called with Bob Skilton and Jack Edwards at Arden Street, it was Essendon v North Melbourne and I couldn’t believe how big the crowd was. I’d come from Adelaide and here I was at Arden Street that held about 15 or 16,000 and I remember Skilton looked at me and thought I was a bit silly carrying on about the crowd, but I wasn’t used to it! I loved working with those guys. I have no idea really. Ask your brother, he found out this week it’s not easy reading the news!

HM: You’ve been very specific.

SR: Did I miss anyone? Oh, can’t forget the “King of Geelong” (Billy Brownless).

HM: No one. When did you enjoy calling footy the most?

SR: I thought the ’80s and ’90s were just fantastic for footy, and probably early on in 2000 with the Brisbane Lions, there were a lot of good players. Wayne Carey, Leigh Matthews, you’d probably have Jason Dunstall with Gary, that was the top four … oh, and you’ve got to put in a bloke by the name of Tony Lockett!

HM: Tony was getting angry reading that list until the end bit! What a time. I was reading your rules to commentary and one of them was – be short and sharp. I was listening to some of your iconic calls “What more can you say”, “Any score will do”. “There’s a pig, at full forward!” It’s amazing how a few words, put together well at the right time, are timeless.

SR: I think I was taught that early on, and it came from golf coverage, the unspoken word is powerful. Greg Norman at Augusta putting on the 72nd hole – in very dramatic fashion, it virtually needs no words. I always believed people sitting at home don’t want to hear someone like me babbling incessantly. I think they’d like a variety of different voices, so keep it short and sharp. I suppose the combination of those two things – the unspoken word and keep it short and sharp – was probably just something in the back of my mind.

HM: You mentioned Greg Norman. He obviously became very close to you.

SR: There was a time when our son Sam was very ill. Greg was very good as were a number of people like Gary Ablett and Gary Hocking. I had a farm in the Western District at the time, and Greg flew out after his round one year, when Sam was very ill. He spent some time with Sam on the billiards table, for an hour and a half or so. It was just fantastic, an extraordinary memory. Then when he did pass away, he had Sam’s name on his hat for the next round that he played at Huntingdale in the Masters. We were close in those years, I wish he was around more now.

HM: Incredible.

SR: It is amazing how someone’s generosity with their time can make such an impact. Years later you and I are talking about it, and the difference it made to Sam.

The only thing that I’d really love to do

HM: Agreed. Are there any events you wished you’d hosted?

SR: Augusta.

HM: Have you been there as a civilian?

SR: No. After I retired, Billy Cannon and I were booked to go to Augusta, everything was planned and then Mr. And Mrs. Covid came into our world and stuffed us completely!

HM: Is it still on the bucket list? Does your health allow you to get there?

SR:No, not at the moment sadly. It’d be lovely if it could, but no. That’s probably the only thing that I’d really love to do, have you been there?

HM: I haven’t. I don’t even need to play, I’d just love to walk it.

SR: That’s exactly what people have said to me. Just walk it and you’ll be blown out of your mind.

HM: I don’t want to ruin it by getting frustrated with it by playing it!

SR: Exactly right! You don’t get an idea of the undulations and the terrain and the greens and the slopes on the screen. You’ve just got to get there, sadly I don’t think I will.

HM: I hope you do. Augusta’s obviously on your bucket list, the Mount Gambier Cup would’ve been …

SR: You’ve certainly gone to one of the highlights of my career!

HM: Just explain for the young children of today …

SR: … that was 38 years ago!

HM: That’s why the new generation needs to know the brilliance of this moment. Just before you explain it – the Good Friday appeal in 2008, I was a week or three into my time at 7. You said “Good luck, I think you’ll have fun with it, I’ll give you one bit of advice – when you’ve got someone with you just write their name down on a bit of paper, it’s amazing how often you’re going to have a mental bank and you just need it there.” I’ve always done in it since!

SR: Yeah, it’s good advice. Is that your way of getting around to the Mount Gambier Cup?

HM: It is.

SR: In those days, I was in Adelaide and the General Manager of SESA in Mount Gambier was a guy called Tony Phillips, who worked at Seven in Adelaide before he went down as the GM there. He wanted me to go the Mount Gambier Cup Carnival each year, which the local television station covered. It was a two-hour program where they showed the main jumps race and they also did the Mount Gambier Cup. Each year they would invite a special guest, usually someone that had won a title like Miss Victoria or Miss South Australia or Miss Australia. On this occasion, it was Miss Australia. You know what it’s like at racing, if you’re in the mounting yard hosting, you can lose audio. I had Tony Phillips, who was the GM, about 15m away with another microphone and an earpiece, so he knew what was going on. Prior to going on air, I recorded an interview with Leanne Dick, Miss Australia. The boys were giving me a bit of a ribbing when we had the crew meeting. I said, “Oh, don’t worry about it. I’ll be alright.” So we went to air at 12 o’clock and the interview went to air as well.

HM: All going to plan …

SR: So far. But as the horses were going round for the start of the race, one through a shoe, so there was a delay. We went to a break, and during the break, the producer said to me in the earpiece, “Look, Sandy, you’re just going to have to fill for a while, just find someone else to interview in the mounting yard.” So I had a look around in the mounting yard, and there’s no one else there. I said, “Look, I’m sorry, but the only person here is Miss Australia and that interview’s already gone to air!” He said “Just grab her, we’re coming back in 10 seconds!” So I grabbed her and I said “Welcome back to picturesque Glenburnie, still with me is Miss Australia, Leanne Cock, uh, Dick!”

HM: Hard to script!

SR: Yes! That story has led a fairly long life!

HM: The piece of it all that I find funny – well, there’s two parts to it. One, Leanne Dick got married. The chances of this happening are about a million to one. What did she become?

SR: Mrs. Cockerill!

HM: And two, Mrs. Cockerill sent you a message for your 60th birthday.

SR: Yeah, she did. She said, “Hello Randy! I mean, Sandy, sorry, I’m not very good with names!” I’ve communicated with her, she’s a fantastic person, it was just one of those things we won’t live down.

HM: Brilliant.

SR: Remember I was telling you about Tony Phillips. He had the earpiece on and he was 15m away. I looked over to him, because if you listen to it, you can see that I’m really struggling to keep a straight face! You know when your voice quivers. I looked over at Tony and he’s on his knees with tears streaming down his face laughing! So he didn’t help me at all. It was a comedy of errors.

Falling down the stairs was a blessing

HM: Bloody funny. And a terrible segue, but to serious matters. If you hadn’t fallen down the stairs in 2022, would you know now that you had myeloma?

SR: That’s a very good question. I don’t know, because I have no idea how fast it would’ve moved or what would’ve happened. But falling down the stairs was a blessing. It confirmed, when they did the scans for my ribs, that I had these lesions or tumours on my back, and in the pelvis.

HM: Did they give you any indication of how long that they thought they’d been there?

SR: No, they had no idea at all. None whatsoever. I didn’t even know I had them because there was no pain. I wasn’t restricted in any way, but they were there!

HM: They said, “You’ve broken your ribs, and sorry to tell you this, you’ve got cancer” in the one sentence.

SR: Pretty much, but they didn’t say sorry!

HM: Where at that point – does your mind go?

SR: Shock, scared, fear. You feel like you are in no man’s land. Carolyn was with me and she heard it as well.

HM: What did you know about myeloma at that point?

SR: Nothing. I didn’t know anything about it, I knew what melanomas were, but I knew nothing about myeloma. The last 13 months or so has been a pretty steep learning curve for both of us, but we certainly know what it is now.

HM: What have you learnt that’s terrified you?

SR: There’s a few things. I think I learnt initially that the fear of the unknown is real. It was a major concern. We just didn’t know what was going to happen. You get told that you have a lifespan that might be 18 months or three years. It’s terrifying and unsettling.

HM: Once you have that fear, you need to address it I assume.

SR: You do. You’ve got to think “What am I going to do?’’. I’m not going to go and sit in the corner and curl up and die. I’m going to be positive, we are going to be positive, we’ve got to do what we can to make sure that we get through this and that’s basically what we’ve done. That’s where we sit at the moment. Both myself and Carolyn knew nothing about it, so we’ve been able to learn quite a bit about the assistance that’s needed to combat the cancer. Myeloma Australia have helped us enormously – the Myeloma Care nurses have been so fantastic – in the early days Carolyn would just call them whenever she felt overwhelmed and they often check in on us to see how we are coping.

There’s still a long, long way to go

HM: What is needed?

SR: The researchers, the scientists, the haematologists, the nurses who are also fantastic and Myeloma Australia, need financial aid! They need more funding. We asked how we could help, and they suggested that I become an ambassador for them. I said, “Look, I’m happy to do that, but it’s not about me, it’s about making people aware of myeloma”. That was what I wanted to do and fortunately the response – particularly from people that have myeloma right around Australia, just in the past few weeks has been absolutely extraordinary, it’s just blown us away. They are very happy to have a voice, a lot of them said they were very relieved that at last we can spread the word and there’s someone to spread the word. I think in a way we’re starting to achieve what we’ve set out to do, but there’s still a long, long way to go.

HM: Miles Prince is someone I’ve done some stuff with, and he’s a genius in this space. He just needs more funding for the brilliant minds around him as the numbers are staggering, is it 50 diagnosed every week in Australia?

SR: Yeah, it is. At the moment there’s around 20,000 suffering. Myeloma Australia has been going now for 20 years, but the numbers are just growing. The problem is that they don’t know what causes it, and they don’t have a cure, so it’s a double whammy.

HM: What treatment is there, Sandy?

SR: It can be controlled to a degree, there’s a couple of ways that you can go. You can have a stem cell transplant if your body is up for it, and your age is right and you have certain other – I wouldn’t call them qualifications, but they’re almost blatant qualifications. Or you can take the more conservative approach and that’s called VRD treatment, which involves three drugs, which is Velcade for the chemo, Revlimid for the immune system, and Dexamethasone steroids. That’s the one I’m on at the moment because the chemo program that I had didn’t suit me at all.

HM: How are you being affected?

SR: I lost a lot of weight and I was pretty sick, so I spent time in hospital and picked up a couple of other things like diverticulitis and this bug called C Diff, which is a very contagious stomach bug and I was pretty ill from that for a while. When I got through that I remained on Revlimid and Dexamethasone, but I was taken off by my haematologist Andrew Spencer, from the Velcade because it just wasn’t doing me any good at all.

HM: How do you feel day to day with it all?

SR: I’d almost say Hame that the treatment is harsher than the diagnosis. Revlimid – and I’ve spoken to a number of people who also take it and how it affects them as well as the dexamethasone – affects everyone differently. The way it affects me, I’m unstable on my feet, I’ve got neuropathy in my legs which I can’t seem to get rid of, and I’m unsteady. My body gets the shakes, and my voice changes. They’re the things that affect me, but they only affect me probably two to three days a week, then I’m OK. But it’s better than the alternative!

HM: It is. To those that are reading, I think they’d probably be fairly staggered that 50 people are diagnosed every week, 30 per cent die within 18 months, and there is no government funding.

SR: Unfortunately, no. We want the funding for research, that’s what we are trying to do. We don’t want funding for people that are involved in it, or even Myeloma Australia. Well we do, but it’s the research, if we can get enough backing for our scientists and our oncologists and our specialists to enable them to continue in their quest, they believe that they could find a cure for it within 10 years if they had the financial backing to support that group of people that I was just talking about, the researchers and scientists.

HM: Can we get the funding?

SR: It might be a bit of a slow burn, sadly, but we are in discussion with the Federal Health Minister, Mark Butler, and he is very aware of the situation. There’s a couple of drugs, there’s one called CAR-T that is in America at the moment, but we don’t have access to it here, but they’re very optimistic that it can be very helpful in prolonging life. Whether it can be an absolute cure, remains a bit uncertain. I listened to Mark Butler with Neil Mitchell and I thought he was quite good. He’s a politician, and he’ll tell you that they inherited certain things as far as the health department is concerned, what can be allocated and what can’t. You’ve got that lovely old line, “You’ve got to go through the due process and find out”. There’s a lot of speak, but we just need a bit of action. Hopefully something might come of it.

HM: Is the best avenue the federal government’s view changing, or private donation?

SR: It’s the federal government and the state government really, but probably the federal government if you’re trying to bring trial drugs like CAR-T into the country, which you can’t do at the moment. We just need financial support, we need to be able to help these scientists and specialists do their job and not lose them, which has been happening to several because they just can’t continue on when there’s no financial backing to keep them doing their research.

HM: The money has to be found.

SR: I’m not whining, but myeloma is basically the rarest blood cancer there is and it’s the most expensive to treat. We have at the moment 20,000 affected and that number is growing. Now I know all charities do a great job and they all need assistance, but when you look at those statistics and figures and we’re getting nothing, myeloma needs help.

HM: Loved growing up listening to you Sandy, loved working with you, and thanks for talking today.

SR: Pleasure Hame.

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